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Peter Pan / Re: My 1989 PP screenplay
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 19, 2023, 12:52:52 AM »
Andrew,

I read the script, and it was pretty good, but I’m going to be honest here, it definitely would need improvements!
I know this script is a first draft, and you’ll probably never write another because this movie will probably never be made, but I still wrote notes down while I was reading the script and I wanted to share my thoughts and things I personally would change based on my notes here:

I love the way you started the film with Barrie seeing David in the coffin then the interaction with his mother. I’m glad you tried to bring that scene back after it wasn’t included in The Lost Boys. But I think since this movie is called Peter Pan, we should see more glimpses of Peter in this scene. You did have his shadow go through at the end of the scene with Barrie and his mother, but I think we should also see it sooner flying across David’s face as he lays in the coffin. It should feel like Peter will haunt Barrie from this point forward. Which was kind of true in a way.

I think the Kensington Gardens scene was way too much like The Lost Boys, which you probably would have changed. I assume you wrote that scene so much like TLB because it was familiar to you. Basically, it was a placeholder until you thought of a better way to start the movie. And since this script is only a first draft, that’s completely understandable why you would write a “placeholder” scene!

Personally, I think the scene should just be Barrie at Kensington Gardens alone. I don’t think he should interact with Darling family at all. Maybe he should just see them in the park and at their house as if he’s just imagining them in his head? Like they are the first inkling of the story before he even thinks up Peter? I have no idea!

I know you were trying to flow Barrie’s life with the story of Peter Pan, but, to me, it felt like the stories of Peter and Barrie seemed to be fighting with one another at times in first act before the children go to Neverland, and the Peter Pan story pretty much took over almost completely after the first act.

Honestly, I’m not really sure what your purpose while writing this was to have Barrie in the story, but my interpretation was that this movie was going to be about how the tragedy of David’s death and how he had to live in David’s shadow (what Peter’s shadow represents?) in the eyes of his mother and how he’ll never be her favorite son was a part of the story of Peter Pan. And Peter does say something like that during the final battle when he says, “I’m the one you could never be.”, so I think that’s what you were going for. Please let me know if I’m wrong, but that’s what I got out of it and most of what I’m about to say is going to reflect that interpretation.
I may have misread it, but I think David is supposed to be Peter in this movie, like the actor who was going to play David was going to play Peter, and it’s that’s true, that’s brilliant! If it’s not, again, please let me know! I also saw Peter being David as Barrie imagining Peter as David’s ghost and that David misses his little brother and mother, so that’s why Peter sees Wendy as Margaret Ogilvy.

With all that being said, based on that interpretation, I think the point of David’s death and Barrie’s feelings about his mother should have been more prominent in the Peter Pan story, even if that meant changing things that happened in the narrative. Of course, I don’t know how you yourself would have done this, and I didn’t write a detailed way of how you could do that, but here are bullet points about how you could have sprinkled that stuff here and there throughout the story:

* Barrie as Hook should still have a picture of David on his desk. Both Barrie and Hook should have a picture of Barrie’s mother.
* Peter/David’s shadow passes by Barrie as he first writes down his idea of Peter Pan. Barrie looks up from writing as if he saw it.
* Barrie/Hook should see his mother’s face in Wendy like Peter did earlier, and that’s why Hook wants Wendy to be his mother.
* The Neverbird should be there as an example of motherhood and Barrie/Hook should also think of his mother again in that scene.
* Hook/Barrie could hear or even see his mother in his dreams.
* Peter/David cries for his mother in his sleep? Wendy comforts him. Maybe he could also say “Jimmie!”? He cries “Mother!” with Wendy, but when Hook/Barrie comes to poison him, he says “Jimmie!”. 
* During his soliloquy, Hook/Barrie could have been thinking of his boyhood in Kirriemuir and David and hearing David laughing before shooing the thoughts away.
* “I’m the one you could never be.” Barrie thinks of David and his mother.
* During Hook and Pan battle, there could have been more flashbacks of David. Maybe Barrie calling Peter “David” at one point when he’s about to jump off the plank, and Peter is very confused, but maybe it seems familiar…
* Final shot at the end of the movie we see the photograph of David on Barrie’s desk?

Here are the bullet pointed thoughts that I have that don’t involve that interpretation:

* Love the different action type things inserted in the Peter Pan story like Peter saving Wendy, John, and Michael when they fall into a chasm in Neverland and the seal mermaid attack scene.
* Love that the weather is different in different places in Neverland. Snow in one place, tropical on the other.
* Definitely wish I could have seen this version of Neverland! Seems so beautiful!
* Cool that there are different kinds of mermaids!
* I thought it was weird that Hook didn’t injure Peter, neither physically nor emotionally, making Peter have no reason to stay on Marooner’s Rock.
* Peter’s reaction to Tinker Bell dying is heartbreaking!
* On the Jolly Roger, Hook/Barrie wiggles his eyebrows at the children and they laugh, one of them asks, “How do you do that?” Maybe John?
* The whole final ship sequence taking place in the snow was done in a very creative way!
* I admire you for not being afraid to show scary and violent moments and blood (in different colors no less!) in this!
* Loved the visual motif of people looking through bars. Being barred from what they want most.

The ending could have been a lot stronger! It felt very abrupt and Barrie only says one line! Again, not sure how you would do this and I don’t have any ideas at the moment of how it could be better, except Barrie needs to be more prominent!
Maybe it ends with Peter/David visiting Barrie as he’s writing in his office, and Peter momentarily becomes just David and recognizes Barrie and they talk for a little bit and then David turns back into Peter and flies away? Maybe we could see a shot of Kensington Gardens one last time?

Also I think the title might need to be changed. I know it’s the story of Peter Pan, but since it’s not a direct adaptation, and Barrie and a part of his life story is in the movie, maybe Barrie’s name should be in the title somehow? Like “Barrie and Peter” (that’s probably a horrible example!), or something like that. But then again, the GOSH Peter Pan movie was called Peter and Wendy and half of that movie takes place at Great Ormond Street Hospital, so maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about! Which is very likely!

Overall, like I said, the movie was pretty good, and definitely had the potential to be great! Sadly, we will never see your version of Peter Pan on the big screen! Although, just thinking realistically, no major Hollywood studio would want a version of Peter Pan that you or I or anyone else on this forum would want to see! Hollywood sees Peter Pan as a “kids movie”, meaning they wouldn’t want a lot of violence and deep and subtle messages. They want slapstick and romance and goofy shenanigans. Those aren’t bad things in and of themselves, but they don’t belong in a Peter Pan movie! At least not in a Peter Pan movie any of us would want to see!
But I’m glad you at least got to write a script, and now we can all read it and visualize in our heads what might have been!

Oh, and also while I was reading the script, I thought to myself, “I should make a trailer for this!” And after I read the script I did! I used the iMovie app on my phone and I used only stock images and screenshots from The Lost Boys.
It’s very crudely made but if you would like to see it, I’ll gladly email it to you since we can’t upload videos on the forum!
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Peter Pan / Peter Pan and Wendy 30-Second TV Promo
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 18, 2023, 08:09:17 PM »
Disney just dropped a 30-second promo ad for Peter Pan and Wendy. It includes new scenes that are not in the trailers or on the featurette.

https://youtu.be/VQcf4iKN3Ek
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Peter Pan / Re: Official Peter Pan and Wendy Trailer!
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 16, 2023, 02:58:51 PM »
I need to correct myself because I realized there actually have been other adaptations that made Captain Hook look different than Barrie’s description of him.
There was Syfy’s “Neverland” miniseries and there was the animated series “Fox’s Peter Pan and the Pirates”.
If there are other examples that anyone else knows, please post them below!
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General topic / Noah Matthews Matofsky
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 15, 2023, 02:56:17 AM »
My friend and fellow Pan Fan on this forum Hannah Rafael-Grippo sent me this article about a young actor named Noah Matthews Matofsky who plays Slightly, the leader of the Lost Boys and Lost Girls, in Peter Pan and Wendy and he’s the first actor with Down syndrome to be cast in a major role in a Disney film!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11971239/Peter-Pan-star-actor-Downs-syndrome-land-major-role-Disney-film.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

You can see him in the first trailer among the other Lost Children when Wendy sees them for the first time, and in the featurette you can see him in a behind-the-scenes shot laughing with the actors playing Wendy and John Darling.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan and Wendy Featurette
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 15, 2023, 12:02:28 AM »
Don’t sell yourself short Andrew!
To paraphrase a line you wrote for The Lost Boys, (and please forgive me for doing so!) you may be old, but you’re still one of us! Your heart is closer to Barrie’s than anyone else’s!
Even though we might have different opinions on this film, I still look forward so much for your thoughts on it just the same!
❤️
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Peter Pan / Re: My 1989 PP screenplay
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 14, 2023, 11:54:23 PM »
Thank you so much Andrew for posting this! I can’t wait to read it!
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan and Wendy Featurette
« Last post by andrew on April 14, 2023, 09:37:25 PM »
I really look forward to reading your review Dani - not because I'll agree with it, in fact I suspect our opinions will be poles apart, but I realise I'm a jaded old cynic and that your heart is probably closer to Barrie's than mine. It's just our cultural sensibilities that get in the way ...
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Peter Pan / My 1989 PP screenplay
« Last post by andrew on April 14, 2023, 07:56:57 PM »
While awaiting Disney's new offering of PP, I've just posted my own 1989 shot at bringing PP to the silver screen, originally commissioned by Francis Coppola. Oy veh ...

For some reason this site won't allow uploads bigger than 16MB, hence the 2-parter, with time for popcorn refills in the intermission.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan and Wendy Featurette
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 14, 2023, 06:46:32 PM »
Here’s some notes I have about the featurette:

* Skull Rock actually looks freaking cool!
* The home of Peter Pan and the Lost Boys and Lost Girls may not be under ground, I’m still not sure, but that looks great too!
* There’s a part where Hook is on a boat headed to Skull Rock and it looks like he’s doing the pose that George Washington does in the famous painting “Washington Crossing the Delaware” by Emanuel Leutze. That’s kind of clever except Washington was obviously an American and Hook is a proud Brit! But David Lowery is American, so I guess that’s why that reference is there.
* Wendy and the Lost Boys and Girls sitting together is great and looks sweet! I wonder if this is the scene where Wendy is telling them about mothers similar to the animated film except it won’t be a song, or is she basically re-telling her story like in the play and book, or is she telling them a completely different story? We’ll see!
* The Jolly Roger looks like it’s going to be in the air a lot towards the end. I’m don’t know why the filmmakers decided to do that. I wish left the the ship flying until when Peter takes the Darling children and the Lost Children back to London. To me, it would make the ship flying more special to see if they let it happen at that point, but I guess that’s not a huge deal I guess.
* I haven’t mentioned this in a while, mostly because I keep forgetting about it, but this movie is supposed to  show a backstory about how Peter and Hook became enemies and how they were once friends. Not sure how that will be handled…but we’ll see…
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan and Wendy Featurette
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 14, 2023, 06:45:50 PM »
No problem Andrew! Thank you so much for replying!
I will also be doing my own review of the movie after it comes out (actually I’ll be doing multiple reviews based on first impressions after seeing the movie once and then more reviews after multiple viewings), but I look forward very much for your thoughts on the movie!
I am actually about to post some thoughts that I had watching the featurette. Please feel free to read them if you like!
Much love to you Andrew and I hope you have a great day!
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