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tcarroll

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Peter and Michael's Dreams
« on: March 28, 2010, 02:33:44 AM »
When reading Peter and Wendy, during the part where Peter was sleeping and Hook was contemplating putting poison in his medicine, did anyone notice the resembelence in the description of Peter's dreams and Michael's nightmares?  I found that pretty interesting.

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Re: Peter and Michael's Dreams
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2010, 09:50:47 AM »
Well yes, actually I did - in my book on p157 - but it's always more fun to spot these things on your own.

In glancing through the index to find the page number, I was reminded of an unsung hero of the book - Frank Dunn, who compiled the index. He was hired by Constables (the original publisher) who told him the index should be no more than 4 pages.  When he rang me, almost in tears, I told him to make it as long as he liked. He could then lend it to me, and I would hold onto it until the very last minute, knowing that Constables wouldn't have time to cut it.

And so it came to pass! I had a sort of hunch that I would be relying on his index years down the line, and remain eternally grateful to Frank for having done such a fantastic job. My only gripe with Yale is that they wouldn't let me index the additional info in the extended captions, but heigh ho...

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Re: Peter and Michael's Dreams
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2010, 02:05:56 PM »
I don't know how on earth I missed that in your book, as many times as I have read and re-read!! The thing is, this is my first time actually reading Peter and Wendy, and that just stood out to me, along with many, many other things! Ever since I read about Michael's nightmares, it has tugged at my heart strings.  There is nothing sadder than a child who battles things such as that. Except maybe a child or children who lose their parents as these did.  Well,  there goes my heart again....

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Re: Peter and Michael's Dreams
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2010, 08:04:00 AM »
Hello,

Sorry to bust in on a topic that I really should explore more on my own, but unfortunantly I'm really running out of time.. I'm doing an essay about victorian literature for uni, and seeing as I've been pretty obsessed by Barrie's work since day-dot I have been researching his life and work in more detail. It's amazing (though terribly sad), and I am in awe of this site (and Andrew's amazing work). I was just wondering if there is anywhere on the internet that I can access some information about these dreams? I've tried the database here, and although its been so helpful so far I can't find anything on these nightmares/dreams.. I've been looking for Andrews book but it's just so hard to find here! I am considering getting it shipped in after this essay, but theres just not enough time before its due. I don't know if anyone can help me, but I would be so grateful for anything (even for curiosities sake, if I can't put it in my essay!). Thank you for providing such an invaluable resource for me, I really appreciate it so much.

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Re: Peter and Michael's Dreams
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2010, 05:37:24 PM »
I actually incorporated Michael's dreams into a production of PETER PAN that I directed.  After the scene where Wendy takes the boys into her new house to tell them the story of CINDERELLA the (annoying) Narrator comes out and describes how Peter stood guard over the house that night (this is the Trevor Nunn/John Caird version).  Peter falls asleep and a group of faeries pass by, only tweaking his nose.  Once they have all left the stage and only the Narrator and a sleeping Peter remain on stage, I had the boy playing Peter call out in his sleep, "Come out!  I'm not afraid!" or something like that (I used Michael's nightmare scene from THE LOST BOYS video for inspiration). The Narrator then walked over to the sleepiing Peter and comforted him.  I thought it was an effective way to end the scene.

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Re: Peter and Michael's Dreams
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2010, 09:31:48 PM »
From my book, p157-8:

[In the summer of 1907] Barrie was making numerous notes on Michael. Some of these appear to have been for a sequel to Peter Pan about Peter's brother, "Michael Pan". It never got much further than the title, perhaps because by this time Barrie had begun to incorporate elements of Michael's character into Peter Pan himself as he developed the book, Peter and Wendy:

"Sometimes [...] [Peter Pan] had dreams, and they were more painful than the dreams of other boys. For hours he could not be separated from these dreams, though he wailed piteously in them. They had to do, I think, with the riddle of his existence. At such times it had been Wendy's custom to take him out of bed and sit with him on her lap, soothing him in dear ways of her own invention, and when he grew calmer to put him back to bed before he quite woke up, so that he should not know of the indignity to which she had subjected him."

In reality it was Barrie who fulfilled Wendy's role with Michael. He later wrote a short story about him, Neil and Tintinnabulum, which is as intimate as it is unknown, in which he elaborated on the nature of Michael's nightmares, referring to the boy as "Neil':

"There was a horror looking for him in his childhood. Waking dreams we called them, and they lured Neil out of bed in the night. It was always the same nameless enemy he was seeking, and he stole about in various parts of the house in search of it, probing fiercely for it in cupboards, or standing at the top of the stairs pouring out invective and shouting challenges to it to come up. I have known the small white figure defend the stair-head thus for an hour, blazing rather than afraid, concentrated on some dreadful matter in which, tragically, none could aid him. I stood or sat by him, like a man in an adjoining world, waiting till he returned to me, for I had been advised, warned, that I must not wake him abruptly. Gradually I soothed him back to bed, and though my presence there in the morning told him, in the light language we then adopted, that he had been "at it again" he could remember nothing of who the enemy was. It had something to do with the number 7; that was all we ever knew. Once I slipped from the room, thinking it best that he should wake to normal surroundings, but that was a mistake. He was violently agitated by my absence. In some vague way he seemed on the stairs to have known that I was with him and to have got comfort from it; he said he had gone back to bed only because he knew I should be there when he woke up. I found that he liked, "after he had been an ass," to wake up seeing me "sitting there doing something frightfully ordinary, like reading the newspaper," and you may be sure that thereafter that was what I was doing [...]

"What is the danger? What is it that he knows in times during which he is shut away and that he cannot remember to tell to himself or to me when he wakes? I am often disturbed when thinking of him (which is the real business of my life), regretting that, in spite of advice and warnings, I did not long ago risk waking him abruptly, when, before it could hide, he might have clapped seeing eyes upon it, and thus been able to warn me. Then, knowing the danger, I would for ever after be on the watch myself, so that when the moment came, I could envelop him as with wings."

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Daphne du Maurier also talks about Michael's nightmares on the audio section of this website.

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Re: Peter and Michael's Dreams
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2010, 03:54:26 AM »
I have been looking looking around for this kind of information.